Tonight one of my favourite bands on the planet,
Lightning Bolt, are playing at the Zoo. Here is an interview I did with maniacal drummer and all round rad dude Brian Chippendale a couple months ago...
BRIAN
CHIPPENDALE – Hey man how are you?
SONIC
MASALA – excellent! How’s your day been?
BC
– Hmm, how’s my day been? Well it’s been a beautiful day here, in the 70s or
so, sunny (laughs). I went and saw a bit of a band from Providence which is
where I live called Human Beast who just put an album out on Load Records which
is actually Lightning Bolt’s normal label. They were doing this four hour
performance at a local museum, so I went and took in an hour and a half of
that. That was one of the things I did today…
SM
– (laughs)
BC
– I wanted to do the full four hours but I want to come home, relax, have a lil
snack before talking on the phone…
SM
– Sorry to take you away from that man!
BC
– Hey, no problems, I'm pretty sure I got the gist of it anyway (laughs) It’s
really interesting to me though; I don’t know how after an hour or three, three
and a half hours what they were doing originally (laughs) Something spaced out,
I’d assume.
SM
– For sure. I was going to say, that wouldn’t be something Lightning Bolt would
likely tackle anytime soon – the four hour show would be impossible to
maintain?
BC
– Oh no! (laughs) We couldn’t do that. Well, not at our normal clip…I was
actually thinking about that when I was over there, thinking “God this would be
so cool to do, you know, and record it.” You know, you would inevitably get
really weird. Obviously your energy would go down, your physical energy anyway,
but then your mental energy might spike at different times. But then I thought
“We can just go into our room and record for four hours whenever we want.”
(laughs) But the performance would be pretty special. I don’t know, we could do
something – not four hours though. I reckon we could do three; that extra hour,
it makes it an even number, we’d need an odd number.
SM
– Are you superstitious?
BC
– No, just because it’s an odd thing to do! (laughs)
SM
– (Laughs) Plus you might lose your mind even more, beyond what is retrievable,
into the fourth hour…
BC
– Yeah, that is the concern (laughs). I was talking to the guy who put this on,
he put on this little festival, this local thing, a couple years ago called
Bummerslam, and it started at 8am and ended at 8pm. The concept was there were
going to be 12 bands and they’d each play for an hour, and everyone who wanted
to go had to be there by 8am and just stay in that room for the whole 12 hours.
You couldn’t leave. I played first, and I screwed the whole thing up by not
starting til 9, and people started coming and going, so it didn’t work out
quite to the plan. But the idea of turning these musical performances into this
sort of physical happenings is conceptually interesting to me. (Laughs) It
could make for the most boring of days, who knows?
SM – (Laughs) Well, Lightning Bolt itself started as an art project between
yourself and Brian Gibson almost two decades ago, so you have been toying with
performance and the art of performance for quite a while now. That kind of
extrapolation isn’t all that far-fetched really.
BC
– Yeah, we’ve always had that interest in the physicality of the performance,
the weird inclusiveness of performance and all of that. For me on the drumming
side pushing myself physically in some ridiculous way would make sense. Most of
our shows are compacted, so it’s as if four hours went by because its 110
degrees in the room and there’s zero air, so everything’s compressed.
SM
– Every Lightning Bolt show then, if we’re not talking lateral time, if we’re
just talking about expenditure of energies, you pretty much meet the quota,
four hours into one!
BC
– That’s funny. Maybe that’s why people like music shows. We’re getting into
deep stuff real fast here (laughs). But maybe that’s why people like music
shows, because you’re judging it on energy expulsion, you’re dealing with three
hours of time in a forty-five minute set or something. Everything is heightened
by the energy levels. Maybe that’s obvious, but I’ve never thought of it like
compressed time before.
SM
– You learn something new every day, and there’s something new to chew over!
(laughs)
BC – (Laughs) Yeah, you learn from your bullshit every day.
SM
– (Laughs) Well those staples that you have developed as the duo, ensuring that
live shows are in amongst the people, in amongst the crowd, which again builds
that heated atmosphere; you’ve got the mask which in a practical sense it’s
there to hold the microphone, but has become the symbolic element of the band,
and then there are the vocals which by necessity as much as practice has to become
this staccato rant, due to the way you play as much as the way you sing – these
things that have developed over time as staples of the Lightning Bolt
experience, they aren’t particularly lateral things either, they have developed
in a weirdly organic fashion…
BC
– The process has made them, or reinforced the themes and steered the ship in
that direction, for sure. That is one thing that I am grateful for from playing
on the floor (as opposed to a raised stage) for so long is that it’s made me
become a much more physical drummer than I was. I mean I have always been
fairly physical about it, I’ve put everything into it, but it’s stopped me from
getting lazy. There are many shortcuts for a drummer, but if you are on the
floor, not willing to use a PA and really need to go for it to properly fill
out a room, there’s not a lot of shortcuts left.
SM
– What about drumming itself as something that is something… (trails off)…fuck,
I should learn to use my words…
BC
– No one knows whether I've been using mine for decades! (laughs)
SM
– Let me try again (laughs). The art of drumming for you – how does it signify
you as a person, not just as Lightning Bolt, because you’ve got other avenues
through which to express and connect, your artwork and your comics, so as a
drummer – the art and action of drumming – how does that signify who you are?
BC
– I’ve been noticing this week actually, I played a solo show on Saturday night
(Saturday 10th August @ AS220 as Black Pus). For the last two years
the elevator in the building where Brian and I practice has been broken, so after
I play, say, a solo show, I’ve got 700 pounds of really awkward equipment to
carry up these three really long flight of stairs. When I take it down it takes
a day, it’s like twenty-three trips or something up and down these stairs
(laughs). But then that night after the show I’ll get a few things upstairs,
because it’ll have been a long day, then the next day I’ll take the rest up.
But this week I was lazy, so it took me two days to get it all upstairs, then
set the shit up on the third day, and I felt kind of depressed for those couple
of days. Then as soon as I got it all and set it up and sat down to drum, I
felt good again. As the years have gone by, for better or worse, I've become
addicted to the act of drumming. I mean, I could probably switch over to
running or something; it’s a form of exercise. It moderates my brain and
moderates my energy levels, it’s great for that sort of thing. It’s a great
exercise routine for me, and it’s important – it’s survival, like my daily dose
of mental stability. Not that I go crazy otherwise, but it’s a healthy way to
get through a lot of stuff.
SM
– It’s funny how that becomes a part of you. I’ve seen you play a few times
now, especially when living in Europe in 2008 to 2011, and there’s nothing to
me that is like a Lightning Bolt show, seeing you and Brian going at it, and
it’s sort of funny because I guess whether it’s also the fact that the artworks
you create are these garish, quite cartoonish ways of drawing – the way you
play is quite violent and visceral, but it is all rather cartoonish to me also.
That isn’t some sort of backhanded compliment either, something flippant, it’s
just that you do get put into the noise rock pigeonhole because people feel they
want or need to pigeonhole what you do, a place they can then identify with,
and the abrasive rock element allows that comparison, and there is a cathartic
element to the live experience, but there is a great deal of humour and cartoon
violence in the delivery. I never get the sense that you guys are particularly
serious, dark people you know? (laughs)
BC
– At the very beginning I think we were very much that way, and I think over
time we lost a little of that. OK (laughs), it is not that exactly, definitely
not as people, but for some reason the music has lost a little of that sense of
humour, I sometimes think. Maybe even my
vocal stylings have gotten a little more serious whereas before it was a little
more chirpy? When we started though I felt really cartoonish, and when I listen
back to the first couple of albums we did, especially our second album Ride The Skies, it’s all super jerky and
quick changes and loads of starts and stops, and it feel hyper, like kids. It
was a really long time ago, well it feels a long time ago now. There is this
element of cartoonish energy, cartoonish aesthetic, I mean I put on a freaking
mask! (laughs) It’s this strange balance; some of our shows can be quite
aggressive, which then turns the set into something pretty dark. But at the
same time it feels weird, I mean, c’mon! This is Lightning Bolt! We’re not
Slayer or anything. For the most part people are there to have a good time, and
whilst the music can go to a dark place – we both really dig dystopian science
fiction, but we’re not dark people, you know? So the cartoonish aspect comes
from aggression rooted in positivity. (laughs)
SM
– (laughs) Well, the ‘Barbarian Boy’ single that you have just brought out on
Adult Swim. That group marries well with the positive aggression, cartoonish
mayhem vibe that you guys embody. The song itself is one of the most direct
that you have delivered in some time, Was that a deliberate factor, seeing what
you were releasing this on, or was the track written before they approached
you?
BC
– We actually just went into the studio and made that up. It was a one day
wonder, that one; we went in, jammed, came up with this idea and ran with it. I
think the studio atmosphere helped. I had used the studio for the last Black
Pus record (All My Relations) but it’s not something that Lightning Bolt has
used. So that song came from being in a studio and recognising what was
possible in the studio. Most of our music is written through jamming at home,
which I then record on a cassette four-track, and that process probably
emphasises totally different things. Yet in the studio, they are super good at
capturing drums, so I could identify this beat and it sounded cool, straight
away. We have taken a lot of time off this year too, I've been doing a lot of
Black Pus stuff, so that song was us getting back together again after that
break and it was a lot of fun.
SM
– Is that gonna bleed into a new album?
BC
– Man, we have so much stuff recorded for the next album that we just haven’t
sat down and organised or finished yet. We’ve been talking about it forever,
and I think what’s going to happen is we’re gonna come back from Australia and
clean out the winter so there’s nothing going on, and just get it done. There
is so much stuff in different states of disrepair; it’s coming, it’s just down
to whether we’re gonna be idiots or not, get our brains together or just keep jamming
in the house and not think about anything else.
Come to The Zoo @ 8 - life changer, right here.
